Obama Supports Evolution

Do you really think Gore wants another 4 years as vice president?

Unfortunately, I don’t thing Mr. Gore wants either the presidency or another vice presidency. He’s pretty much said that he’s not interested. Unfortunately.

Obama is right on every aspect but one in his quote above. Some things in the Bible can be proved by science and that science is Archaeology. Please refer to the History Channel’s series “The Naked Archaeologist”. He proves new things every week! So yes, they do hold up to scientific inquiry.

-Nicole

Sure, certain aspects of the Bible can be proven by Archeology such as locations and the respective timing of those locations. However, I don’t think that Archeology has anything to say regarding divinity or miracles or any of the other supernatural claims of the Bible, or it’s characters.

Do the writing utensils described in the Bible correspond with actual unearthed utensils from the proper time period? Archeology can easily answer that question and prove that whoever wrote the Bible described proper writing utensils within it’s pages. Did a woman supernaturally conceive the child of the one true creator god and did that child grow up to resurrect from the dead? I’m not so sure Archeology can answer that question.

On Obama stating he is a Christian. How can a person be a Christian and believe in Evolution? This is contrary to the Word of God in Genesis. Obama, as usual, is ’straddling the fence.’ Also, he have stated that he is indeed pro-choice and pro-gay rights. He have made statements about the Sermon of the Mount as being too radical for today. This is not of God. As Christians, we need to have integrity and denounce him by not voting for him. As Christians, our way of thinking is a moral outlook. We should not vote at all or if you just want to vote, vote for someone else who has more integrity.

Po,

You’re clearly confused on many issues… least of which being the proper usage of the words ‘has’ and ‘have’.

If you seriously think the Bible is, in any way, a moral guide, then I can only assume that you, like many other Christians, have never read it thoroughly and most likely, just read individual passages and taken them in a modern context instead of reading them in the context of the time when they were written.

Personally, I would recommend reading some books by Bart D. Erhman on the subject of the origins, historical accuracy and context of the books of the Bible. Particularly the New Testament, seeing as you’re a Christian.

As for evolution being contrary to the bible, you might enjoy a book by noted scientist and Christian Neil Shubin called “Your Inner Fish” in which he explains the theory of evolution (as well as how we ‘know’ it’s true) very clearly and how modern scientific knowledge does not have to take away or have any affect on your spirituality.

You talk about the integrity of the candidates… go take a look at VoteSmart.org and map out McCain’s voting records versus his apparent stances on the same issues during his candidacy. McCain’s attitude towards his party’s key issues is completely opposite that which he’s voted for and against during his entire political career. He’s turned his back on his own values to appeal to potential voters. Instead of displaying the integrity you so much desire in a candidate, he’s shown he’s willing to go against his own principles just to get a vote.

And as for not voting at all … PLEASE be my guest.

There is not a shred of evidence of macro evolution… only microevolution or variation. There have never been any transitional fossils found and outside of a man-made diagram of an ape that transforms into man, nothing to suggestions one species turns into a completely different one. As a Christian, I believe microevolution is the foundation of biology. Macroevolution however is a grand assumption that has been taught in public schools and thereby taken as good science.

Anyone can self-subscribe to being a Christian, believing Jesus Christ was the Son of God. As a believer, one is to accept the validity of the New Testament and the Old Testament. Rejecting either would invalidate both. Bart D. Erhman is not relevant in this discussion, his views are as biased as the views of a Christian. Nor are Neil Shubin’s views, they are his personal beliefs. Whether God created the earth in 7 modern days or 7 periods of time, the details provided are not as vague as some might argue. What is relevant in this matter is assertion that God pushed the process forward, it did nothing on its’ own.

Obama’s views on evolution would necessarily suspend his Christian beliefs… his views would cut and paste the Old and New Testament to fit together what he believes is true… Much like a modern day Darwinian scientist cutting and pasting evolution here and intelligent design there… making the end result a bastardized hybrid atempt not worthy of any support.

What I find most striking is absolute facist ideas running rampid on most college campuses across the world. Darwinian evolution is revered as a religion, to the exclusion of any other idea, ID metioned above. The open-minded scientific community squashes any other argument, and openly rejects anyone who would challenge their beliefs. We hear so much of “research concludes”, “the debate is over, evolution is fact”, and other facist dogma. Sounds a lot like how the world’s differing religions disagree on their competing doctrines, doesn’t it.

The facts remain that the fossil record is less than 1% complete; the Darwinian cell model at the origins of the theory was a very simple cell (unlike what is known today as being a very complex system of systems); there has been no evidence to support any macroevolution; and the scientific community is often at odds with itself in describing any model which would question standing norms.

I believe in good science, I believe in the existence of God. I have no trouble believing in microevolution. I do have trouble with any Christian pushing forward evolution in the charged scientific climate that exists today… It’s not the type of climate where someone like Newton, Darwin, or Einstein would be allowed to put any idea forth which would question the old guard.

I hope this changes.

Truth is………
Now which is it? Are you a Christian or a believer in evolution?……..

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I have never understood why people make claims about evolution that are just not true. How can you believe in something while consiously inventing lies to support your belief?

The facts are is that science only goes by the evidence.

ALL the evidence, and i mean every little bit, points to evolution. There are transitional fossils, as such. There have been observed speciation events such as the nylon eating bacteria, (nylonase). There is not one shred of contradicting evidence.

Since science goes by the evidence, that is why we can confidently state that evolution is proven.

Surely even you must know that obama is an atheist but must at least claim to be christian because he is the president. Have you EVER known a real christian with his beliefs on evolution, gay rights, abortion……

And I think it’s a mistake to try to cloud the teaching of science with theories that frankly don’t hold up to scientific inquiry obama

I think, with President Obama in office for almost 6 months now that this one question/response has a lot more weight. I supported him throughout the primaries and the general hoping but not knowing for sure that he held this view. I feel good knowing this now.